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**bjl584** · 06-27-2013, 07:05 AM

I'd be honest. Tell him exactly how much you would be losing a year by quitting the part time job. The worst that can happen is that he will say no. You must obviously be a valuable employee or you wouldn't have gotten a $9000 raise last month. I doubt anything worse than a "no" could happen to you.

**Vpxggmr17** · 06-27-2013, 07:09 AM

Originally posted by bjl584 View Post

I'd be honest. Tell him exactly how much you would be losing a year by quitting the part time job. The worst that can happen is that he will say no. You must obviously be a valuable employee or you wouldn't have gotten a $9000 raise last month. I doubt anything worse than a "no" could happen to you.

Thank you.

Essentially I want to break it down for him to show that the money I'd be asking for would only match/balance out the money that I would be walking away from at the restaurant.

I think he anticpates my responsibilities growing, which is why he's thinking ahead of the added necessity of me not having post-work obligations.

Still really nervous about the entire thing. I've been here since Jan. 2012 and my current salary sits $10,000 higher than when I started. Jumping up another $15,000 seems like fantasy but it's what it would take for me to leave to maintain my current financial plan (bills, savings and retirement expenses)

**disneysteve** · 06-27-2013, 07:14 AM

I totally agree with being honest. Tell him straight out how much you earn at the 2nd job (and give him the upper end of the range - if it's 25-30K, tell him 30K). Maybe he'll match it. Maybe he won't, but you might decide that earning nearly as much is worth giving up the long hours you are currently working.

**Vpxggmr17** · 06-27-2013, 07:16 AM

Originally posted by disneysteve View Post

I totally agree with being honest. Tell him straight out how much you earn at the 2nd job (and give him the upper end of the range - if it's 25-30K, tell him 30K). Maybe he'll match it. Maybe he won't, but you might decide that earning nearly as much is worth giving up the long hours you are currently working.

That's exactly what I told him. That my goal obviously is as my salary here goes up, my hours/pay at the restaurant would decrease. So in essence he would be speeding up that process for me.

Just not sure what to do if I give him a reasonable (is $70,000 reasonable) salary request and he can't do it but still expects me to give up my weekday shifts...I obviously want to maintain my current savings (I put away about $1500-2000/mo).

**feh** · 06-27-2013, 08:06 AM

What is your day job that your boss wants/expects you to be available at night? I suggest you know what the expectations are before you give him/her a number.

Also - when calculating what a fair raise would be, I'd use your hourly rate at your day job, not your hourly rate at your second job.

**Vpxggmr17** · 06-27-2013, 08:26 AM

Originally posted by feh View Post

What is your day job that your boss wants/expects you to be available at night? I suggest you know what the expectations are before you give him/her a number.

Also - when calculating what a fair raise would be, I'd use your hourly rate at your day job, not your hourly rate at your second job.

It's not that I'd be available at "night", just that I wouldn't have any other weekly obligations. Our office closes at 530pm usually so he just wants to make sure I'm flexible with my time and not rushing out the door to get to job number two.

Only problem with your calculation is that I'm not hourly at either. I earn tips at the restaurant and know what my average take home is, and my day job is salary. If I'm losing my average income during the week from one, it "should" be replaced by an increase in the other.

**feh** · 06-27-2013, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by Vpxggmr17 View Post

It's not that I'd be available at "night", just that I wouldn't have any other weekly obligations. Our office closes at 530pm usually so he just wants to make sure I'm flexible with my time and not rushing out the door to get to job number two.

Ok, that helps clarify things.

Only problem with your calculation is that I'm not hourly at either. I earn tips at the restaurant and know what my average take home is, and my day job is salary. If I'm losing my average income during the week from one, it "should" be replaced by an increase in the other.

Yes. I was assuming your hours at your day job would be increasing as a result.

**riverwed070707** · 06-27-2013, 08:38 AM

He's asking you to quit (or cut hours at) your second job. Don't short yourself. He approached you so don't go based on what you think is fair or reasonable, tell him what you make and see what offer he comes at you with.

**disneysteve** · 06-27-2013, 08:49 AM

Originally posted by Vpxggmr17 View Post

It's not that I'd be available at "night", just that I wouldn't have any other weekly obligations. Our office closes at 530pm usually so he just wants to make sure I'm flexible with my time and not rushing out the door to get to job number two.

Based on that, I'm not sure if his request is reasonable. Have you been in the habit of rushing out the door to get to your 2nd job? Have you given him reason to believe that you aren't fully committed to your day job?

He doesn't get to dictate what you do in your off hours as long as it isn't affecting your performance at the day job. Of course, if he wants to appropriately compensate you for giving up the night job and you're good with that, by all means take that offer.

**Vpxggmr17** · 06-27-2013, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by disneysteve View Post

Based on that, I'm not sure if his request is reasonable. Have you been in the habit of rushing out the door to get to your 2nd job? Have you given him reason to believe that you aren't fully committed to your day job?

He doesn't get to dictate what you do in your off hours as long as it isn't affecting your performance at the day job. Of course, if he wants to appropriately compensate you for giving up the night job and you're good with that, by all means take that offer.

Oh no absolutely not. I work 730-4pm at my office and then go to the restaurant by 530-6pm. Plenty of time for me not to rush, but I do head out right at or a little bit after my 8 hour mark.

He knows I'm fully committed and that the second job is a supplementary income. I think he wants to decrease my reliability on the restaurant so that he can levy more responsibilities on to me here at the office. He even made it a point that his reasoning for this had nothing to do with work performance as my $9,000 raise last month was a direct reflection of that.

**JoeP** · 06-27-2013, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by Vpxggmr17 View Post

I think he wants to decrease my reliability on the restaurant so that he can levy more responsibilities on to me here at the office. He even made it a point that his reasoning for this had nothing to do with work performance as my $9,000 raise last month was a direct reflection of that.

Not sure what kind of politics occur at your main job, but your boss may be under some pressure to get more out of you *after* having paid you an extra $9k/yr. This might include after hours support or on-call. I think it is fair to ask what kind of new responsibilities are being offered, and see if those sit well with you in exchange of the income you'll be losing by giving up the restaurant job.

Part of me says that what you do after your prescribed hours is really none of his business.

**Vpxggmr17** · 06-27-2013, 09:43 AM

Originally posted by JoeP View Post

Not sure what kind of politics occur at your main job, but your boss may be under some pressure to get more out of you *after* having paid you an extra $9k/yr. This might include after hours support or on-call. I think it is fair to ask what kind of new responsibilities are being offered, and see if those sit well with you in exchange of the income you'll be losing by giving up the restaurant job.

Part of me says that what you do after your prescribed hours is really none of his business.

No politics. Like I said, our office closes at 530pm. No one questions the money that was previously given to me as it was a bump to make my salary more competitive with industry standards and a reflection of my work performance.

I think he anticipates our division growing with him moving up and passing some of his work on to me as I move up also. This was a no questions asked, what will it take to get you to only work one job during the week. Most people in my office, my age, have two jobs.

**JoeP** · 06-27-2013, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by Vpxggmr17 View Post

No politics. Like I said, our office closes at 530pm. No one questions the money that was previously given to me as it was a bump to make my salary more competitive with industry standards and a reflection of my work performance.

I think he anticipates our division growing with him moving up and passing some of his work on to me as I move up also. This was a no questions asked, what will it take to get you to only work one job during the week. Most people in my office, my age, have two jobs.

I don't know what kind of industry you are in, but just because an office is "closed" doesn't mean there isn't any work to be done. In IT, for example, many people log in from home and do work into the evening, even though the office is technically closed. Does your boss currently put in any work after 5:30?

**Vpxggmr17** · 06-27-2013, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by JoeP View Post

I don't know what kind of industry you are in, but just because an office is "closed" doesn't mean there isn't any work to be done. In IT, for example, many people log in from home and do work into the evening, even though the office is technically closed. Does your boss currently put in any work after 5:30?

Turns out it was him paranoid we were downsizing and he was going to have to give me more money to work 10 hour days and make up the work of others.

That isn't the case and instead I'm being promoted and moved to our client's on-site location.

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